If You Are Not From Asia, Latam Or Africa, Make Sure You Sign This GENERAL PETITION In Support For The

if you are not from asia, latam or africa, make sure you sign this GENERAL PETITION in support for the movement to get dnp to tour in those countries! as a community, we need to stick together :)

Why on EARTH do you consider yourself a fan of Dan (and/or Phil) if you think they are racist. Like why are you even here. Leave if you don’t like them!! It’s literally that simple. They don’t owe you a thing. They don’t owe you an apology. They’ve obviously improved their behavior (or at the very least, their public behavior) (even if they say something slightly uninformed sometimes) and bringing up old shit Dan said at like 19 is pointless and will literally only tarnish their current public image. They ESPECIALLY don’t owe you a tour date?? Besides the fact that it’s crazy that you to want to see these people you think are evidentially so racist irl, they are going places where they can sell tickets. Like suck it up that you (or anyone else) lives someplace where they are not in enough demand.

yap yap yap

very specifically called out dan for saying racist shit as recently as WAD, and tbh if you really need to know - i am not a fan of his solo stuff, the self deprecating doom and gloom content hasn’t been my cup of tea for a while now. i’ve always been a fan of phil’s content and their duo stuff, which is allowed lol

i don’t think that he is some vile racist, i think he’s a white british man who could be capable of growth if and when he wants it. the issue here is that he never has apologized for any of his racist remarks, during WAD he referred to our homes as ‘third world countries’ when talking about us not being a part of that tour, so it is not some crazy leap to think that the continued exclusion is in part because we are thought of as less than. i’m not even saying that it was a conscious thought, but they do ignore their fans in the global south while we know they do have large audiences here. not as big as in europe, the usa, or canada - but we aren’t nothing.

i also didn’t say that they owe us anything. i am just calling out patterns of racist behavior. i owe it to myself and everyone else who feels hurt by this pattern of behavior to voice what we’re seeing.

now i ask you, why do you think we should just get over these things? why do you think we shouldn’t talk about it to save his current public image? why is his public image so important to you, personally, to where you felt compelled to defend him in my inbox? should no one ever mention anything bad someone’s done to save their current public image? even if it is a part of a larger pattern? why do you think valid criticism of your faves is a personal attack?

dan howell will be fine. he is a rich dude living a luxurious life with his rich partner. his image is fine, and he will be fine even if they acknowledge us and how this is a part of a larger pattern. they will be fine.

You don't have to post this because it's not necessarily the right time but I wanna chuck my input into the ring on the lack of inclusivity with dnp.

These guys apparently cannot be bothered to hire a captioning service for their videos. They can definitely afford it, I think that is abundantly clear. But they don't appear to do it??? At least not for every video. Imo it really is the absolute bare minimum to caption your content but they apparently don't care enough to do it.

I realise this might not be appropriate to share rn because this discussion is about racism and the exclusion of poc, but I thought it was fair to chuck it into the ring as this is also exclusion, but of a different grouo. Also intersectionality. Fyi that I'm white so you're more than welcome not to elevate my voice rn for obvious reasons but this is another example of them being not great from a disability perspective.

I realise that reading all these asks must take so much emotional energy so thank you so much for dedicating the time and energy to facilitate discussion with the care and empathy that you are.

No no no, anon. This should be raised awareness as well. I will not speak on their behalf, because I don’t know if this issue has been raised to them before. But this space should be inclusive to all kinds of people. Thank you for stopping by and being a part of our voice <33

Auto-message: This ask’s purpose is to acknowledge dnp’s past/present exclusivity, not to cancel them! But to embrace mistakes that they’ve made so that 1. we won’t exclude people in need in this community, and 2. we can normalize bringing up exclusivity so that improvement can happen. Hopefully this will one day help dnp realize that this is a safe space for them to talk about their mistakes, so that this space can become safe for people of all kinds too <3

*If you don’t understand what is happening, scroll through my blog for context. And I’ll be taking time to answer my asks, so don’t think I’m ignoring youuu*

Speaking of. Do you remember phandom's reaction to DnP coming to Moscow? And DnP themselves feeling the need to go on "social media detox"? I can maybe understand DnP being paranoid.

But I remember seeing posts where russian fans (mainly teenagers at that point) were desperately trying to convince others that we also had lgbtq people and DnP weren't going to get hurt here. Like some people were actually mad they were coming here. Still makes me angry every time I think about it. Because in Moscow it really was fine. I realise that now, that back then it was fine. Phandom's reaction was cruel and uncalled for.

But then DnP were also probably the first ever western youtubers to come here. And even though I didn't go to the show, just the fact of them visiting still makes today's nightmare a bit more bearable and for that I will be forever grateful.

LATAM fans deserve to have something to look back to, it's simply unfair. I think we really should try and pressure DnP into adding more dates or at the very least addressing it. And for the love of god, people, at the very least you can stop being such assholes to others

detox, Dan taking his hoop earring off... it was all very.. strange and intense in a way that people expected something bad to happen, i guess. also, there were phannies who found out where dnp were staying in moscow (it wasn't hard tbh, so i'm not surprised at all), and also that meetup at the red square. and then on top of it all, some idiot brought ussr flag to m&g. ohh, and the venue's photographer took professional photos of the show and posted them before the tour was over. moscow was the only place that did that, if i remember correctly. it was such a huge no-no, lmao.

like, overall, moscow had a lot of questionable stuff going on, so i understand people's scepticism now and understood it back then. nothing really bad happened, but people were wired, and it wasn't based on nothing. it was before anti-lgbt laws became even worse, i think, but it wasn't perfect even back then.

looking at it now, we should have been questioning russia in 2018 as well. god, the world was stupid as fuck. 2008, 2014... right there, in front of our eyes. even i don't have a fucking excuse. ugh, anyway. they came, they took some pics, they fucked off. i'm glad it's over.

i'm sure it's not the answer you hoped for. i remember the concerns, i think i even answered a few of them back then. do i remember people being actually rude to those who went to the show in moscow? honestly, no. i could totally forget, though. those times, and especially that week, were crazy! i was trying to multitask with work, uni and phandom, AND travelling. never a good idea.

you know why it could be double fine in moscow during summer 2018? the World Cup and a lot of tourists. like, hundreds of thousands. even russian gov wouldn't oppress foreigners during the World Cup. not in 2018. when so much money was at stake.

Latam, Asia and, ideally, Africa deserve at least an acknowledgement. because realistically, almost any Latam or Asian country where dnp could actually go to has a bigger dnp audience than russia. like, i'm sorry (i'm not), but it's true, especially right now.

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